Combines R85 and Sisu

Hello tbran, You seem to have "inside knowledge" of AGCO's "inner-workin's"! Would you happen to know if AGCO has any intent on reviving thier large 4WD line (Agsostar)IJ

Recent Farm Journal had an article on the new Challenger wheel tractors. They made passing mention of an articulated AGCO_Challenger tractor in development_testing. I know Cat did some research on artic's when developing the original Challenger belt tractors and I'm sure AGCO also has lots of 4WD data from their predecessor companies to work from.

Hello dairyman, Thanks for the info! Did the article mention whether the tractor was going to be marketed as an Agcostar, AGCO, or Challenger and what it was going to have for powerIJ Just curious; - not in the market for one!

We are located 100 miles east of St. louis. We also have an 1135 and 1100. I really like the 354 perkins in these tractors. Very fuel efficient. What year is your 8160IJ I was told the first year 1995 needed an update in the transmission.

That's all I know. Hopefully they will have a nice unit someday soon.

My 8160 is a 1998. It was brand new when I leased it in 98. I liked it so much, I bought it after the lease was up. It now has 1150 hours on it.

Hey, Wow! Only 1150 hours. We've had 5 8160's and we've put on like 3000 at least on all of them. We only have 3 8160's now because we traded two of them for 8280's. We are looking at trading the 8160's on MF 7495. And as anyone used the MF 7495 in the fieldIJ How much could you pull and did you like the overall machine. What about the transmissionIJ Sorry for all the questions. You can email me too if you'd like. Thanks, MF 9790

AGCO has a finished product 4WD artic tractor. It can be produced immediately. The problem management relayed to dealers is it is too expensive to produce in low numbers that are sold in this class. IT will be the same price as competition therefore with a new entry into the market place with limited dealers who could or would sell it the numbers are prohibitive. Now comes the CAT portion of the equation. Cat has a better chance of putting up some good numbers due to contractors, not farmers, need for this unit to pull dirt pans etc. A CAT 4wd would not be expected to be lower than Deere in price. This has caused reevlauation. Now enter back the Ag dealers both red and orange who stood up and told the powers that be that if they were to service their big accounts with the biggest combines, planters and tillage tools why do they not have a tractor as a flagship to sell. This is the current state of indecision that exists. If they build it - under the above terms and conditions - will they comeIJ (to buy it)

Thanks tbran, So I guess the reevaluation comes from the fact that if, between CAT_Challenger AG, CAT Industrial, Massey Ferguson, AGCO and possibly Fendt dealers were All to market this tractor, the numbers MIGHT be adequate to make it worthwhile to produce. Would AGCO's intent to (perhaps) eventually produce a "multi-line" tractor plant in North America play into thier feasibility assessment as wellIJ In other words, does AGCO even have a plant to produce this tractor yetIJ Is Coldwater, Ohio a possibilityIJ

AGCO has a mostly new assembly plant in Jackson, MN where they assemble the Challenger tracked machines along with a variety of their spray_application machinery. Originally the home of the Terragator and Rowgator, it now includes the Spray Coupe and other items including fertilizer spreaders, etc. We farm just 50 miles down the road from the plant and took in a plant tour last summer. Adding a 4WD articulated tractor to the mix wouldn't seem to difficult. The scale and sophistication of the plant and the 1000 or so employees who make it work are impressive. A 4WD tractor would presumably be built from purchased components and a welded up frame, all of which would appear to fit nicely into the Jackson, MN plant's capability. I don't know how much capacity Jackson has, but it certainly seems like adding an articulated 4WD line there would be less expensive than a fresh start elsewhere.