Combines GOTTA SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

Rockpicker

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A 9600 wouldn't keep up to a 2188 or even a 1688 in barley. Too much grain to seperate from the straw. Not only that, the 9600 would skin and crack the barley more. My neighbor runs a 9600 and I was out cutting him with a CTS II in 70 bu winter wheat. The CTS II is a class 6 combine just like the 9600.
 

hop_a_l

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Underpowered rotorIJIJIJIJ Guess I missed that in 1992 while I was running a 330 hp R-72, 30'auger at 6 mph on the Wheat run. The next year went with another crew and ran 9600, 30' draper at 3.5 mph because he wanted quality without loss. Then the following another crew with R-72 and 36' drapers at 5.5 mph with less than .01% dock and no loss. Pretty good for being underpowered.
 

stsman

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I'll say this...if Gleaner had any kind of market threat to Deere combines, Deere would have responded back then......only CaseIH gets Deere concerned...instead of a 330hp combine,gleaner should have been building a dealership network like Deere and IH. I really didn't consider gleaner,but it didn't make a difference anyway, because gleaner is still not considered in the overall market.
 

big_orange

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If Gleaner wasn't considered,how come Deere engineering did so much testing on themIJGleaner taught everyone that rotaries needed power,not sheer size.
 

stsman

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I agree big orange....rotories need power...way more than a cyl. strawalker machine,but in those days Deere didn't have a rotor on the market..but when they did come out with the STS, it wasn't so underpowered.....to comparable gleaner machines.
 

stsman

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I agree big orange....rotories need power...way more than a cyl. strawalker machine,but in those days Deere didn't have a rotor on the market..but when they did come out with the STS, it wasn't so underpowered.....to comparable gleaner machines.
 

stsman

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I agree big orange....rotories need power...way more than a cyl. strawalker machine,but in those days Deere didn't have a rotor on the market..but when they did come out with the STS, it wasn't so underpowered.....to comparable gleaner machines.
 

Coors_light

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Nice palaver! The STS didn't copy the CaseIH axail flow, it copied the Msssey design by basing its (Deere) design off of the expired White axial rotor system patent which uses an impeller to feed into a spiral flighted rotor intake. Deere hired away quite a few of the original White_Massey engineers during the 80's and 90's to realize the STS. As far as perfection goes, there really aren't any signs that Deere has gone leaps and bounds beyond any other rotor design's performance or capapcity! The 50 series STS left alot to be deisred and the 60 series has relieved some of the issues but not making it a leader of the pack. Deere has been working on a rotary combine since the late seventies when everyone else came out with theirs. It was inevitable that Deere was coming with a rotor combine, and they did long before the STS in the form of the CTS, which still remains a system with far more potential for capacity and performance than any axial type rotor (e.g. lexion). Deere's strength has never been in the combine harvester sector like CaseIH was or ClAAS is. The reason for monumental sales of STS combines is not because of their design, performance, quality, etc. It's because Deere is willing to do whatever it takes to get these marginal products in the hands of the public using creative finance tactics and alot of favoritisim to hedge off the sale of other brands. To be the "king of the hill" is a very dangerous thing. And, if you do not believe me, use the www and search back and see what happened to GM when they tryed to be the total consumer solution for automobiles. Being market leader with 60% + only means one thing! The rest of the mfg's aren't going to alow Deere much further progress (the are still that many consumers who prefer other brands). If I were Deere management, I would be worried. If anything, the word pension would scary enough.
 

Mav

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I cannot speak for others, but I find the post above very amusing. Before I comment, however, I would like to throw out a couple of questions. I encourage all responses. Q1: What is meant by the phrase hp grew. Were the engines of the 80s and 90s not capable of meeting the hp requirements of the combinesIJ Q2: What are the limitations of the early rotors that went awayIJ
 

Red

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about rotors not being big enough to worry deere the old 9700 white was a monster everything on that machine except grain tank and engine hp was bigger than the much praised 9750 sts it would even unload grain faster. with a 903 cummins it would still be one of the highest capacity combines around. but like stsman said white would have had a tough time getting the machines sold. you have to congratulate deere for the saturation advertising that they have been doing for the last 50 years, and also by appealing to the arrogance of some farmers that the only way that they can be cool in the feild is if their driving green. deere doesn't have bad machines but i don't think theirs are so much better than most people think. i own a 7700 and it is a great machine that has given me lots of faithful service but so has my 760 MF. a funny story about the old red wheateater some of my neighbors which are devout deere desciples had thier bran new 9550 walker machine 25ft auger head pulled into a feild next to mine just before i did and began cutting. i got to the field which yielded about forty similar to thiers. engaged the separator fed the old red beast some diesle and much to my surprise i began gaining on the shiny green idol infront of me. as i kept on gaining i realised i would soon pass them. i welled up with pride for my massey chugging along with faded red paint and the quiet dignity of the once and future king of combines as i passed them i gave one big happy wave and got the finger in return. but that is ok because they are freinds of mine, and i suppose they got a little satisfaction because later that day all the years of dust had gotten to my radiator and she sprung a leak. but not bad for a 30 year old aristocrat. well take care and i hope everyones fall crops did ok Red GO 9790!!!!!
 
 
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