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[Deerebines]

The cat_claas lexion is the only class 9 machine around. All the rest you mention still fall in the class 8 category. Same as your biggest sts. I think you need to read a bit and brush up on your spelling.

 

[land_Surfer]

True, but, the 9860 STS is not the same size as the rest of the industry's class 8's, it is much, much smaller, using a cleaning shoe based on the frame size of the 9500 straw walker. As a means of controlling cost and delaying costly product development, Deere is telling the industry what size combine it needs vs. listening to the needs of the consumer.

 

[Rockpicker]

Custom cutters. Ever since the introduction of the STS, almost every custom cutter around here has switched to the STS because they are easier to haul then the CR and the 8010.

 

[Case_Farmer]

Easier to haulIJIJ I thought most combines drive up a trailor Also i get what the guy is saying I just don't see why they don't make there clean grain capacity bigger... thats the main problem and the issue's he mentioned i know our local green guys sure feel the same as this guy

 

[Deerebines]

I have to disagree. I think if you would look at the numbers the amount of class 9 machines (lexions) are not that great out there compared to class 8's of various colors. Now I will readily admit if I had a cat dealer alot closer I would consider that lexion alot more than the traditional silver, green or red beings they are all within a 30 mile radius but the fact remains that I don't feel deere is dictating to us as to what we need. Moreso, we are dictating to deere, by the numbers, that a class 9 isn't that imperative. To be right honest, in my neck of the woods a class 9 is overkill considering the terrain we run, the acreage most farmers run, the crop we run (mainly wheat and milo and little corn) and the biggest factor that you would need 10 semi's to keep it away as slow as that mickey mouse elevator dumps grain that we have. Then again, I spose if a guy can afford a 1_3 million dollar machine perhaps they can afford the rest and thier own bins as well. (Shrug) I don't know, but in this lil corner of the world....a class 8 will do it all.

 

[farmert]

been trying to get the green guys to run a 9860 against my 8010 haven't seen it yet

 

[Rockpicker]

One year, a regular custom cutter brought a Case 7010 (experimental model) along with his 2388s. Said he would never bring the 7010 or any 8010 again. Had to change his route, had to get a different trailer, it was heavier, and was just a pain to haul compared to his 2388s. This year I watched a cutter hauling pull into town with a NH CR 860. It was kinda interesting because he had to drive on the wrong side of the street and have 2 people get out and tell him were to go to clear the overpass.

 

[Wind]

I think the answer to this is in two different areas. First, agree that they are not moving quick enough for the requirements of the some farmers. Those that have the unlimited resources or bank support to make the need infrastructure improvements, ie; semis at their disposal, grain storage and drying capacity, are wanting the larger machines. But how much market is thatIJ I don't know how many farmers are in that situation to require the monster combine. Also, if you look at those like Farmer Tony and Corn King, they are farming large acreage, but in a relatively local situation. These are the guys that will drive the large combine market. Deere has not catered to that market and is losing some share there. At this time, I would guess that Deere does not feel the return on sales is there to demand an instant reply to the market. This brings about the second point. How much return are the large machines actually providing to the manufacturersIJ Unfortunately, the cost of doing business is high. Yes, Deere does make extremely high profits, but that is from managing the budget very tightly. Everything from research and development to inventory is watched very tightly to make sure the cost structure is in line with the returns. With the market the way it has been over the last few years, those returns have been very good. But take a couple of bad years and those companies which have not leveraged their assets very conservatively, and those companies will see profits go away very quickly, even to the negative. CNH has made a great effort at return to profitability, but they have also sunk a lot of cash into gearing up for a lot of new products, moving manufacturing facilities, and trying to regain lost market share. A couple of bad years right now could hurt them a lot. They need at least 5 more years of good profits to become stable for the long term. I for one hope they can do that. But if they are able to do that, it also will force Deere to make the monster machine and get some of that market back also. Agco, while a little more cash strong is also in the same situation. I admit that Deere has lost some of the market strength, but overall they are still in a better situation than the others from a financial standpoint. The next couple of years could be very interesting to watch.

 

[Case_Farmer]

Ahh i see Sorry if i came across wrong there..... Just kinda felt like being a (you know what) lol Thanks for the clarification and i hope you accept my apology

 

[Deerebines]

In looking through your pictures on your website Tony it seems to me that you are pretty much a standard red farm no matter the object. Doubtful you have given them the right initiative to bring something green out to compare against you.